And he didn't call me an idiot! Yet.
From "Dirty Sanchez" (heh heh)
The only problem with your logic is that you are assuming that these people - not scumbags - are breaking a law that makes any sense. A speeder on the highway is breaking a law, but is not a scumbag. A person making a mix CD for his girlfriend is breaking the law, but is not a scumbag. People who smoke marijuana break the law, as did drinkers during prohibition - not necessarily scumbags. We do not have a good system in this country that allows people to come in to work, so people ignore the stupid government and just do it anyway. The government should just do what it always ends up doing - codifying the de-facto system so that the law matches reality. We really do have a demand for cheap labor in this country, and it is being satisfied. Cut off the cheap labor and you will pay more for, well, everything.
There's a couple of things that I think are wrong with Dirty's logic. First, he didn't read the link, or if he did, didn't see anything wrong with the people who are running these protests. Here's the link again, so you can see it again.
It's been changed, but some of the pictures are still there. Call me a racist because of the color of my skin and I call you a scumbag, period. No discussion.
On another tip, looking at these pictures makes me wonder what it is about the 14th century that appeals to people? Especially religious and political nutcases?
Second, he assumes that I think speeders and pot smokers aren't scumbags. He's wrong, even though I have done both. A speeder who gets caught has to face the music, if he doesn't sooner or later he will go to jail, it's a matter of time. If you don't pay speeding tickets or for that matter parking tickets, you are labeled a scofflaw
a word that means, in legalese "scumbag". If you do get this label, the state, county city or whatever government entity issued the citation will gradually remove some of the privleges afforded to you escalating to your very freedom if you don't watch out. And to assume speed limit laws make no sense is just wrong, spend maybe one day driving a truck, even a rental truck and you'll see exactly why we have traffic laws.
Third, his analogy with the guy burning a CD for his girlfriend is all wrong. It's pretty much settled that if I burn a CD and give it to my girlfriend it's fair use, if I set up a factory and burn thousands of CD's and hand them out on the street, I'm a thief. Period. That's also settled. Bad analogy.
Fourth, Pot. Pot is illegal, pot is harmful, get caught with it, you go to jail. I have had some experience in the pot area, and if you think that I think pot is a harmless little thing you are sadly mistaken. Sorry man, my blog, my opinion. Can you equivilate pot and booze? Some people can, not me. You make another mistake thinking that the majority of people broke the law and drank during Prohibition. Compare the per capita use of alcohol in 1914 of like 25 gallons to something like 10 in 1934. That figure's from a book called Booze, Bucks and Bamboozle
that I read a while ago, go google. Or, you can read this
which states that Prohibition reduced cirrhosis by 10-20%. Read a little closer and you see that Prohibition didn't seem to have a real effect on public safety, arrests for public drunkenness pretty much stayed the same, but further down you'll see that enforcement for public drunkenness increased in some areas and relaxed in others, both for the same reason, to prove that Prohibition was working. Basically you can't have your cake, everybody drank during Prohibition and they weren't scumbags; and eat it too, crime rates shot up during Prohibition. Because they didn't and they didn't.
But let's explore this idea...You don't like a law, so you break it and don't think any of the punishments meted out by the legal authorities should apply to you. Therefore, the law should be changed to accept the fact that certain behaviors will occur and there shouldn't be a punishment for these behaviors. Great. Good for you. Also, wrong. I don't agree with a lot of laws but I obey them. I work to change the laws I don't like by voting for the people who say they will change the laws I don't like. Sometimes I call my representative. Most of the time nothing happens. I also complain on the internet. Again, most of the time, nothing happens. Actually, all of the time nothing happens, but I feel better. Point is, I don't willy-nilly break the law just because I don't like it, that's part of being a responsible and productive (well, at least responsible) member of our society.
So lets look at your final thought, all they are doing is satisfying a need for cheap labor in this country and if we stopped or limited illegal immigration we'd pay more for everything. Great. You know we probably would pay a little more for everything, but you didn't read the first half of this post.
I don't care about market-driven price fluxuation, I care about taxes. What supporters of Illegal immigration don't care about is social justice. Oh they say they do, but they don't. Legal immigrants and all citizens of this country are entitled to a minimum wage and pretty stringent work rules. Illegal immigrants bypass these rules, lie on official government documents and pull the bottom out of our wage and price schedule. I'll repeat a question I asked before, why should I hire you at minimum wage and be forced to give you paid time off, lunch and fifteen minute breaks when I can hire an illegal for piecework and not have to pay any of that, not to mention not filing all of the paperwork required. All I have to do is show up at the Home Depot parking lot with my van at six o'clock in the morning and pick and choose. You don't show up, you don't work. You'll take what I give you because you are here illegally and are subject to deportation whether or not the law is evenly enforced. But then, you get into a car accident, you are uninsured, you end up at the Emergency room and get free healthcare, who pays for that? Me. There's drywalling to be done, I know I can get a team of Mexicans to do the work for half what I'd pay Union guys, but who pays when those guys are out of work? Me. My strawberries need pickin'? I'm not paying minimum if I don't have to. And if you're illegal, I don't have to. A couple of years ago a guy working at a factory over on the Kentucky side of the river couldn't get his brother a job blew the whistle and the INS rounded up 80 illegals in one factory, making crap wages. Where I worked was a Steelworkers shop and it took me three years before I made as much as a line supervisor and I was Corporate management. I can pay a little more for the labor and a lot less for government services if the labor is legal. Lets spread that tax burden around.
Now lets think about what we do about the problem. Where do you see people who have broken a law demonstrating IN PUBLIC that they should be able to break that law whenever they want? What makes anyone believe that these people will follow any law that they think is too tough? How about those speed limits, Dirty? What about paying taxes? How about car insurance requirements? Massachusetts wants every resident to pay for health insurance or pay a fine, what about illegals? And this leads me to a digression...how about that "compromise bill". Do they really expect people who jumped the fence once to fill out all of the paperwork to become legal? I was thinking that I might be able to make a good living forging pay stubs back to 2000, but then I thought, why bother. If it's too much to try and get here legally now, and they're already here and no one's doing anything about it, who cares about becoming a citizen?
So now we have all of these illegal aliens in one place, chanting and ranting about racism. We know where they all are now, send in the INS, ship them back. Build a fence, put a system in place that maybe makes it easier for people to come in. Sure create a guest worker program, but make it reciprocal, or else tell Mexico we're shutting the border. If they don't like it, tough. That's a plan, better for the people coming over the border, better for the people here. That's what I think. And this being my blog, I am right.
So even though I am right, and you are not. I appreciate your comment, and your handle.